Why only "Mom Pants"?

[tonicmole]

One thing that drives me mad is that the only jeans available are Mom Pants. The waist is around the navel. I'm kind of a specialist when it comes to pants, so I know that since the mid 90's, what were once called "low-rider jeans" are now just called jeans, because no one wears pants around their rib cage (unless they have utterly given up on living).

My question is, why is the mom jeans? Is it a technical thing? I noticed the only pair of normal jeans are part of the Fun Shaundi suit but they are not available on their own....any suggestion on how we get get around this?

 

[☢EpIC☢™UnjustMurder {A|R}]

With the upcoming tools from volition, we could make our own clothing. including jeans, if that's you're thing

 

[Wynot]

(Edit: Sorry if this has already been figured out, I'm new. )

They must have some interesting guidelines for clothes. I've wondered since SRTT why some of the clothes are so thick. My toons breasts are big yes but they are still human size. Some of the uppers make them look like watermelon. The Han Solo outfit just looks ridiculous. It looks like they are layering clothing models on top of each other instead of replacing the body mesh like in Skyrim.

Then again, why do the Skyrim characters look so much better than Oblivion? Because they fired the old character artists. It might just be someones personal taste.

 

[Firespite]

Fun Shaundi wears normal jeans?

Okay. Normal jeans are now those that either expose your underwear or your crack in the absence thereof.

More variety would be nice, but they are in no way mom pants, especially considering the Sausage Casing pants and similar items
do not meet the ribcage. I think, however, what you're seeing are items made for male characters that are able to be worn by female
characters, and the game is already straining with its current clothing selection, which is probably why we haven't seen a larger
selection of everyday clothing items (most new items are extravagantly stylized to fit the zany new theme).

Anyway, Shaundi's bellbottoms are very low cut and her belt doesn't fit, and further, in SR2 she slept around town and her wardrobe
and personality made her appear both loose and laid back. There were a variety of clothing items that were equally low cut, but the
majority of them were made to fit the wearer, making those items the exception and not the norm.

And as an aside, do you know how difficult it is in modern times to find women's shirts with actual sleeves, collars, and pants that are
neither too tight nor made of flimsy fake stretchy denim substitute? You probably have to shop at a Western store to get jeans that
kick ass. The only complaint I have about some of SR4's jeans is they can't be properly recolored, other than that, they look pretty
sharp.

Wynot: Yes, the clothes are very thick in SR4 perhaps to prevent clipping of the character through them, I don't know. Also the reason
Oblivion's characters look terrible in comparison to Skyrim's is because Skyrim has completely custom built models by Bethesda artists,
Oblivion went the lazy route (as do many games) and used the FaceGen software suite to generate its characters.

http://www.facegen.com/

 

[Wynot]

Wynot: Yes, the clothes are very thick in SR4 perhaps to prevent clipping of the character through them, I don't know. Also the reason Oblivion's characters look terrible in comparison to Skyrim's is because Skyrim has completely custom built models by Bethesda artists, Oblivion went the lazy route (as do many games) and used the FaceGen software suite to generate its characters.

Yeah, I'm sure its to prevent clipping but man, they are SO thick.
The use of FaceGen was part of it but according to my friends at Bethesda, the non-official story is they needed to clean house. They were operating as a small shop for so long, Oblivion's success gave them the ability to hire quality aritsts.