M4v3r1ck_13
Banned
Exactly. Ignoring the whole idea about the Saints becoming corporate whores and just making them expand outta Stilwater would be a better idea.
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Why exactly didn't they use the old crew? Literally no one asked for the new hipster crew, did they?
I mean, I'm gonna play this game one day. More specifically, the day the GOTY edition is out with all the DLC and it costs 10 bucks at the local store. I'm just genuinely curious whom this game is supposed to appeal to.
Even with the crew, I find this game to be a hard sell at 60 bucks considering it released near broken and seems incredibly repetitive. I wasn't expecting an award winning story. I just expected likeable characters and fun, original gameplay. Turret sequences are not fun gameplay to me.
But yeah, we'll see. Maybe the game will be great when they patch it. Or maybe the next game will be better. If we ever get one.
honestly? at this point i also think it'd be for the best if all the companies involved just embraced the fact that the various iterations of this series are just a bit too different to reconcile in such a way that everyone is pleased. like not the best for them, but for many fans definitely. it's never gonna happen because they think (or thought) they can just keep on trying to broaden the audience for Saints Row indefinitely for infinite money while also roping in the fans of the previous iterations, but still. like... i think this series is incredibly rich in artistic and entertainment value beyond just being vaguely "fun" or "wacky". if you just let go of the illusion that the parts this IP consists of form some kind of a coherent whole whose integrity must be jealously protected, you could do so much interesting crazy shit with the various bizarre worlds Saints exist in.
like talking of "de-canonization" of the Steelport era, srtt was not intended to be a proper continuation to sr2 to begin with. the "canon" was always nonsense, it was only insisted on to sell more copies. Volition considered srtt "functionally a reboot" if i remember correctly, like it was hungry for the money of sr1-2 fans for sure but they primarily targeted a "new audience" with it and anything actually connected to Stilwater was a no-go because it would be "confusing" otherwise. (i have tons of issues with the whole thing but the fact that King is not in the game is like basically sacrilege honestly, even more so than what happened to Dex) if there's one thing the reboot has done very right in my eyes is that at least it's more honest in this regard, even though they were still trying to do that "it's a mix of sr2-3 for really reals!" thing. it doesn't sound like they succeeded in that super well at least if it really was their intent.
anyways i think it's cool and good to enjoy the Stilwater and the Steelport games as one single continuous narrative. it's a really fucked up ride and there's lots of fun to be had there - what i see as shitty manipulative creative decisions will never be the fault of those who love the end result. hell i used to love Steelport when i was first introduced to this series, i even defended srtt against furious Stilwater fans back in 2012: i know what people see in it, my own tastes have just changed since then. but there was all that talk about potential previously and holy shit did srtt squander Stilwater's. to me it's like we got the setup and the buildup to Boss' story, but we never got to experience the true climax of it all, the final part of the trilogy it was supposed to be. nothing would even have to be made non-canon, i'd just love to see an alternate continuation.
i know my problem here is obviously that i consider these games "art" and not just purely products to be consumed by as many people as possible. i know how this industry is, this is all just pipe dream bullshit that i've been thinking about a lot again because of the reboot. speaking of which uhh saw a bit more of it and it really is just written like a sitcom huh, let's call it another feather in this series' cap of baffling creative decisions i guess
like talking of "de-canonization" of the Steelport era, srtt was not intended to be a proper continuation to sr2 to begin with. the "canon" was always nonsense, it was only insisted on to sell more copies. Volition considered srtt "functionally a reboot" if i remember correctly, like it was hungry for the money of sr1-2 fans for sure but they primarily targeted a "new audience" with it and anything actually connected to Stilwater was a no-go because it would be "confusing" otherwise. (i have tons of issues with the whole thing but the fact that King is not in the game is like basically sacrilege honestly, even more so than what happened to Dex) if there's one thing the reboot has done very right in my eyes is that at least it's more honest in this regard, even though they were still trying to do that "it's a mix of sr2-3 for really reals!" thing. it doesn't sound like they succeeded in that super well at least if it really was their intent.
anyways i think it's cool and good to enjoy the Stilwater and the Steelport games as one single continuous narrative. it's a really fucked up ride and there's lots of fun to be had there - what i see as shitty manipulative creative decisions will never be the fault of those who love the end result. hell i used to love Steelport when i was first introduced to this series, i even defended srtt against furious Stilwater fans back in 2012: i know what people see in it, my own tastes have just changed since then. but there was all that talk about potential previously and holy shit did srtt squander Stilwater's. to me it's like we got the setup and the buildup to Boss' story, but we never got to experience the true climax of it all, the final part of the trilogy it was supposed to be. nothing would even have to be made non-canon, i'd just love to see an alternate continuation.
i know my problem here is obviously that i consider these games "art" and not just purely products to be consumed by as many people as possible. i know how this industry is, this is all just pipe dream bullshit that i've been thinking about a lot again because of the reboot. speaking of which uhh saw a bit more of it and it really is just written like a sitcom huh, let's call it another feather in this series' cap of baffling creative decisions i guess
M4v3r1ck_13
Banned
The new crew would work if they weren't a bunch of hipsters. Or they could've brought back the OG crew and the new crew with different attitude, personality to have the Boss, Gat, Shaundi, Pierce, Carlos, Lin, Troy and even Dex shaping up these new blood into gangsters. Even Donnie.
In the official bio of Neenah's interests:
- art, cars, history, Santo Ileso local lore, Ranchera music, TACOS, PBS.
They had the chance of bringing in the old cast alongside this new one if they opted to make this new cast with a personality that's fit to be a Saint.
Neenah and Lin being the Wrench Wenches of the gang would've worked just fine.
Steelport wasn't even a problem to begin with tho. It showed they expanded. The idea of'em becoming corporate whores is what turned down some people from SRTT also the fact that Johnny Gat was killed offscreen in the beginning. Only to return in the next game.
And compared to Stilwater. Steelport was quite a dead city. They managed to create a city that was alive with an older engine. It's the direction they picked up for SRTT that created the 1st rift in the fanbase.
i use "Steelport" as a shorthand for srtt and sriv (and gooh too i guess). i think the cities are the most clear way to differentiate the iterations.
but also i'm not gonna lie, personally i'm not interested in the Saints expanding outside Stilwater at all - that power fantasy stuff is all well and good but it's not the main reason why i find these games so interesting. i know a whole new map was probably a good creative decision back then and if they didn't do srtt they woulda just done something with chasing Dex instead like they teased. but to me there were so many unanswered questions left in Stilwater after sr2 i still definitely would've wanted them answered rather than moving town just for the sake of it. like Boss did some horrible shit to their city, "after the fires people don't look at us the same way anymore" as one Saint ominously put it. in Saints Row Undercover the Saints devolved into a civil war which to me is the biggest most infuriating example of wasted potential in this series by far, it's such a tantalizing concept and feels like the perfect way to continue from Boss' rampage in sr2.
but this is a thing where i'm most definitely in the tiniest possible minority in this fandom so my opinion is worth shit honestly.
M4v3r1ck_13
Banned
Understood. See... Seeing the Saints chasing Dex and getting caught in a crossfire between Steelport gangs (as separate gangs, not that Syndicate Bullshit), ULTOR Masako trying to protect Dex and STAG at once... Would've been an interesting concept. As for SR2, ULTOR have presence in all 50 states. We never got too see how big ULTOR really is, but it's just described as being MASSIVE.
ULTOR and Marshall partaking in corporate Warfare with each other is another thing that could work.
Let me chime in on that, most Mexican girls don't even listen to "Ranchera" musica, i wish they did tho but most of them listen to "Banda" instead (whichs some sort of bastard crappy child of Ranchera) and also Beyonce, Katy Perry or Reggeton. Most upper class girls listen mostly to Electo Genres or Pop Rock.
Volition definitely used some very silly stereotypes there lol. One thing they nailed is that all Mexicans would rather eat Tacos from stand up stores in the corner of the street than anything else. Basically, they have been americanized so hard that they dressed and act just like most people in Southern US States. You don't see people wearing "Sombreros or Zarapes" anywhere except from very Rural towns far from the Cities. Also, over 40% of the ethincs in Mexico are literally white or very light skin color, so not every Mexican out there have darker skin tone.
I had the same issue with Forza Horizon 5, the way they portrayed Mexicans in there is exactly the same as Saints Row Reboot. But that game is actually pretty damn good, so you turn a blind eye on the silly stereotype.
M4v3r1ck_13
Banned
Now, when it's about Brazil. Some devs thinks the whole Brazil is only Rio de Janeiro. Max Payne 3 is set in São Paulo, but with Carioca aesthetic attached to it.
Brazilian South is predominantly White with German descendants, Southeast have both Japanese and Italian descendants to the point of Brazil having the highest numbers of Japanese people outside of Japan. Also american descendants are common in the State of São Paulo, some inner cities celebrates Confederate Festivals, it's due the fact that the majority of american descendats came from the Confederate side of USA. I've been to one of this festivals once. It's amazing.
Brazil have descendants of Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, German, Japanese, Arab (mainly Syrian and Lebanese), Russians, Ukrainians, Dutch, Americans, etcetera... The list goes on, it's huge.
Atleast Metal Gear Rising did justice with Samuel Rodrigues, A.K.A. Jetstream Sam. SF did with Laura Matsuda and her bro Sean Matsuda. SNK with Ricardo Maia, Bob Wilson, Marco Rodrigues, Nelson and to some extent Bandeiras Hattori. Tekken gave Eddy, Christie and now Katarina...
So I have spent quite a few hours with the game now and I think I've formed a solid and objective opinion on the game.
In short:
Have I had fun playing it? Yes.
Has it annoyed the living hell out of me at times? Fuck yes.
Would I recommend buying it now with full price as it is? No. I would recommend buying it from a sale later on, it's really not that terrible.
Do I regret spending 60€ on it? No. Despite being anything but wealthy, it's just money.
About the negatives...
To be honest, it's hard to think of an excuse for not updating the engine to this century. Even tho it looks ok, it feels old. Some terrible pop ins and outs, shadow distance being disturbingly low which is very noticeable when driving fast. Well as fast as the game lets you.
The lighting in general is quite nice tho. I have everything maxed with DoF and motion blur turned off.
The "layered clothing" system isn't nearly as layerable as it should be. Neclaces don't show with jackets, rings don't show with wristbands etc. Having done a bit of SRTT(R) modding I have an idea how the engine handles these and this is just plain lazy programming. Cutting edge materials can't be assigned to individual parts on clothes, only on the whole piece at once. You can't save outfits, like wtf? Also, the whole style system gets all kinds of fucked up when you buy multiple clothes fast and only restarting the game has helped.
Tattoos also can't be layered, they simply cancel each other if they overlap. And where the fuck is my booba jiggle!? They let you go nipples out but them boobies being hard as rock just looks stupid as fuck. The walk animation looks terrible on female characters...
They've taken quite a few steps backwards on this from SRTT, actually.
All that being said, I've had quite a bit of fun playing it, believe or not.
The writing isn't really THAT awful, this being very much subjective of course. Voice acting and sound design in general could be a lot better tho. I've gotten to empire lever 4 so far and spent majority of time exploring and causing mayhem which has been rather enjoyable. Driving feels good most of the time. Being a filthy casual, playing with controller having full aim assist on I won't judge how the shooting feels.
The whole story and dialogue are ok I think. It has made me chuckle a lot, in good and bad, but the most laughable lines have come from random pedestrians. I don't mind the new cast. Absolutely nothing in them strikes me as so woke or hipster that it would bother in any way. That silly student loan thing came up within the first few minutes of gameplay and haven't been mentioned since, I think. I suppose i'm in a good position regarding this because I'm in no way emotionally attached to the original saints. I mean, I liked the older games but the only character that actually has left a mark has been Kinzie. I really liked her.
All in all, the game is decent. It can be fun. It can also be infuriating. It isn't really worth 60€.
In short:
Have I had fun playing it? Yes.
Has it annoyed the living hell out of me at times? Fuck yes.
Would I recommend buying it now with full price as it is? No. I would recommend buying it from a sale later on, it's really not that terrible.
Do I regret spending 60€ on it? No. Despite being anything but wealthy, it's just money.
About the negatives...
To be honest, it's hard to think of an excuse for not updating the engine to this century. Even tho it looks ok, it feels old. Some terrible pop ins and outs, shadow distance being disturbingly low which is very noticeable when driving fast. Well as fast as the game lets you.
The lighting in general is quite nice tho. I have everything maxed with DoF and motion blur turned off.The "layered clothing" system isn't nearly as layerable as it should be. Neclaces don't show with jackets, rings don't show with wristbands etc. Having done a bit of SRTT(R) modding I have an idea how the engine handles these and this is just plain lazy programming. Cutting edge materials can't be assigned to individual parts on clothes, only on the whole piece at once. You can't save outfits, like wtf? Also, the whole style system gets all kinds of fucked up when you buy multiple clothes fast and only restarting the game has helped.
Tattoos also can't be layered, they simply cancel each other if they overlap. And where the fuck is my booba jiggle!? They let you go nipples out but them boobies being hard as rock just looks stupid as fuck. The walk animation looks terrible on female characters...
They've taken quite a few steps backwards on this from SRTT, actually.
All that being said, I've had quite a bit of fun playing it, believe or not.
The writing isn't really THAT awful, this being very much subjective of course. Voice acting and sound design in general could be a lot better tho. I've gotten to empire lever 4 so far and spent majority of time exploring and causing mayhem which has been rather enjoyable. Driving feels good most of the time. Being a filthy casual, playing with controller having full aim assist on I won't judge how the shooting feels.
The whole story and dialogue are ok I think. It has made me chuckle a lot, in good and bad, but the most laughable lines have come from random pedestrians. I don't mind the new cast. Absolutely nothing in them strikes me as so woke or hipster that it would bother in any way. That silly student loan thing came up within the first few minutes of gameplay and haven't been mentioned since, I think. I suppose i'm in a good position regarding this because I'm in no way emotionally attached to the original saints. I mean, I liked the older games but the only character that actually has left a mark has been Kinzie. I really liked her.
All in all, the game is decent. It can be fun. It can also be infuriating. It isn't really worth 60€.
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So I have spent quite a few hours with the game now and I think I've formed a solid and objective opinion on the game.
In short:
Have I had fun playing it? Yes.
Has it annoyed the living hell out of me at times? Fuck yes.
Would I recommend buying it now with full price as it is? No. I would recommend buying it from a sale later on, it's really not that terrible.
Do I regret spending 60€ on it? No. Despite being anything but wealthy, it's just money.
About the negatives...
To be honest, it's hard to think of an excuse for not updating the engine to this century. Even tho it looks ok, it feels old. Some terrible pop ins and outs, shadow distance being disturbingly low which is very noticeable when driving fast. Well as fast as the game lets you.
The "layered clothing" system isn't nearly as layerable as it should be. Neclaces don't show with jackets, rings don't show with wristbands etc. Having done a bit of SRTT(R) modding I have an idea how the engine handles these and this is just plain lazy programming. Cutting edge materials can't be assigned to individual parts on clothes, only on the whole piece at once. You can't save outfits, like wtf? Also, the whole style system gets all kinds of fucked up when you buy multiple clothes fast and only restarting the game has helped.
Tattoos also can't be layered, they simply cancel each other if they overlap. And where the fuck is my booba jiggle!? They let you go nipples out but them being hard as rock just looks stupid as fuck. The walk animation looks terrible on female characters...
They've taken quite a few steps backwards on this from SRTT, actually.
All that being said, I've had quite a bit of fun playing it, believe or not.
The writing isn't really THAT awful, this being very much subjective of course. Voice acting and sound design in general could be a lot better tho. I've gotten to empire lever 4 so far and spent majority of time exploring and causing mayhem which has been rather enjoyable. Driving feels good most of the time. Being a filthy casual, playing with controller having full aim assist on I won't judge how the shooting feels.
The whole story and dialogue are ok I think. It has made me chuckle a lot, in good and bad, but the most laughable lines have come from random pedestrians. I don't mind the new cast. Aboutely nothing in them strikes me as so woke or hipster that it would bother in any way. That silly student loan thing came up within the first few minutes of gameplay and haven't been mentioned since, I think. I suppose i'm in a good position regarding this because I'm in no way emotionally attached to the original saints. I mean, I liked the older games but the only character that actually has left a mark has been Kenzie. I really liked her.
All in all, the game is decent. It can be fun. It can also be infuriating. It isn't really worth 60€.
This, it isn't as bad as everyone is crying and screaming, but it isn't a masterpiece either. I mean, it's maybe a 68 - 69 at Best, kinda average but you can have fun even with all the terrible technical issues and the horrible story, and i got to admit i am having fun. I noticed the Boss has this Wanna be Badass attitude like the SR2 Boss, just no where near as cool or aggressive as the Original Boos. But yeah, get it only if it's on sale.